dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
thought it would make it easier to follow if I underlined the
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Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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. }6 i' }- Q" s4 ?  }I would drive the traffic to the offer mostly from CL. (dating)


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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
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the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.
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; W" R- a/ r5 F$ F7 y% p( A% O3 {(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)

6 t) h7 {! f2 a  h4 OWell anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:
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3 c! Z  C: M9 Y# \# p2 }. d1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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3 @" h+ C; |) D' p2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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; Z8 \3 G5 z: U$ ?( F" i3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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5 b5 ?# M$ M  ?- k8 D( {7 TI think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?



* I8 y  f, d# h- R" N  R' YI was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
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one.

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My #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
if possible - "Referer Guardian" for redirecting) Some people
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it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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) k$ P* Y% y9 P+ Y6 ^& O8 G6 ?Now on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
why bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
the offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
cloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?
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+ L9 c+ a, Y: X: VAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
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Hm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

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" z2 j, A8 T: Z2 I) i! iBut with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
CC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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) g2 u3 M! U7 ?5 h# U9 WHeh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  
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Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
So there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

4 l. e3 p% D5 O; o! ~' b6 [I guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!
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! A: t0 g0 ~  d+ WAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!