dating on CPA networks

Sam;91256 Wrote:Hi! First thread on Jr.Vip - heh, to be honest this post is actually one of the reasons I signed up.

I've got more than a couple of questions throughout the text, so I
thought it would make it easier to follow if I underlined the
questions/things I'm doubting on.



; f% y) v! O2 K) k4 @Ok, the thing is - I'm planning on doing free-signup dating offers on CPA networks.
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Now at first I was paranoid, because I read a couple of threads about
5 `* U+ Z- X/ K  |4 Mguys complaining that they were doing free-signups, but because none of
the leads converted into paying ones they got transferred/not payed etc.

1 d, m% w, F+ E" J  f(I'm not actually sure if they were on CPA- or adult networks. Is there a difference in these two when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?)
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Well anyhow, I did some research on the subject. And basically the advice I got was:

1. You can always blame the offer, it's not your fault it doesn't convert.
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/ ?( ]" Z- a" q2 O% {' ?2. Atleast your creating a list for them, which they can try to monetize later on (emails, zip codes, addresses etc.)
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3. What do they expect? 99% of people take something free and leave anyways.
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I think these are some pretty legit reasons, although do they matter anything in the eyes of a network/advertiser?


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I was also suggested to keep the amount of money made under $1500 per month per network.
(just to keep it under the radar) That would mean $50 per day, which is
1 ^9 O) z0 s4 h" nlike 15 leads or so. (not many for free-signups) Another thing I will
5 B* m( y9 B  \$ G* Y$ F" E$ |! Gdefinitely keep in mind is not sticking on one offer - I'l rotate them
7 V; G- m* [5 i" Xor atleast use one offer for..let's say - a week and then pick another
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My #1 question right now is whether I should use the scheme:
CL->email->BH site->WH site->offer. (I'd use some script /
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recommended this. And actually

it would be pretty logical as a coverup - if anyone asks I'm doing doing
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would be like 26k hits) What I would actually do is just send some fake
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; X1 ?: v$ m* S! N8 y" ?1 gNow on the other hand there are people who tell me something like "oh
+ t, Q, I$ U1 Cwhy bother, it's too much of a hassle - just give them a direct link to
. x! A0 B5 f& [+ t9 kthe offer when your emailing them" Well, I guess I wouldn't even have to
; C, o" [0 [1 A& p4 l& Hcloak/blank anything then? I mean, if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right?

2 |2 p& o% _! P& f. |2 g1 SAlthough a pretty bad setback with e-mailing is that a lot of dating
6 E5 \; u* W! W1 R' ]' woffers don't allow e-mail traffic at all. With redirecting them through
sites I could cover that up.
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/ ?3 ?3 e( f$ k' y8 o# d2 C; B6 o7 yHm, now I know there isn't a 100% answer, but overall which road should I take? When I'd choose the second one, wouldn't it be too suspicious? What would I have to tell the AM - that I'm using a opt-in mail list?

Would I also have to send some fake traffic to the offer? {I mean a 15(sales):20(visitors) ratio wouldn't seem legit, would it?}
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But with the first road, I'm puzzled with what should the sites actually
look like? I mean, I've seen a "secure dating" BH site, but their for
0 l% k- W8 d- E$ GCC offers. What would a BH site for a free-signup look like? And the WH site? (a review site perhaps?) I would really appreciate if someone would give me some examples!
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Heh, well - that's pretty much all..for now  

Thanks in forward!

Sam;92740 Wrote:Been real busy lately with uni. so haven't had a lot of time on my hands. But none the less I've gotten some answers + actually when I re-read my post, I must say - I asked a lot of shit which I could have tested out myself.

Anyways, to the "Is there a difference in CPA networks and adult networks, when it comes to free-signups not converting into paid ones?" question I pretty much found my answer from sf's post, where he wrote:
) k' q4 u( H2 i9 z8 B4 P) JSo there IS a difference. But I'm sure however that even with the CPA networks the advertisers aren't that happy if your sending them totally untargeted and non-converting traffic. I mean, they definitely have some "equal/greater than" ratio that must be fulfilled, right?

Now, I talked to my AM on one of the networks. And he said that until I'm doing dating offers I can spam a (targeted) opt-in mail list. But CL is a no-no. So in a way this is good news, cause I don't have to worry about the WH site now. (to cover up my traffic so I could seem legit) I'l just now send my traffic directly to the offer through mail. No questions asked, right?

0 F; i2 f2 \( n5 XI guess I still should cloak the offer though. And yea, I also know now the answer to "if I'm sending them the link through e-mail, the referer is blank already, right? " For those who might not know, it's not! The referer shows up as hotmail/gmail etc. Incase they click on it from a client like outlook - it shows as a direct hit!

# |. L% m/ G4 M# W3 @/ ^0 gAnyways.. I wouldn't want to make this post a monologue. So if you've got any useful tips / advice / etc. please do post!